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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 05:19

From Videogamer - 7/10

The gulf in class is widening. PES 2010 is a better game than PES 2009, but not significantly so. PES 2010 is an enjoyable, satisfying football video game, but FIFA 10 is the best football video game ever made.

It had been hoped that Shingo "Seabass" Takatsuka and co at Konami would do what EA did four years ago and invest in a completely new game engine, employing a revolutionary start-from-scratch approach. Unfortunately those hopes have been dashed. Bar the addition of a few new animations, a slight slowing down of pace, some new officially licensed teams, and team tactics and player ability features that are destined to be cast aside unused by the vast majority of players, PES 2010 is PES 2009.

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Playing and reviewing FIFA 10 a few weeks before PES 2010 does the latter game no favours. In comparison, PES 2010's players feel sluggish and unresponsive. PES has always felt this way to a degree, but it's never been so pronounced. The ball moves with minimal realism. Run animations are as robotic as ever. Cross field passes often trigger kicking animations that defy the laws of physics. Shooting motions fail to convince.

Take, for example, basic wing play. In PES 2010, directional changes and actions are "buffered" into the game. This is how most sports games work, but here a change in direction will often see your player frustratingly run the ball out of play a second after you've inputted the command. The same problem causes comical own goals, with defenders running balls into their own net as you helplessly hammer the opposite direction. PES fans have long accepted this mechanic; FIFA has shown it to be unacceptable.

For all the changes Konami has implemented, traits that have marred the series for years have been frustratingly ignored. Keepers can quickly underarm roll the ball to defenders, but, seemingly uncontrollably, sometimes they will annoyingly bounce it before throwing it out. Konami has slowed down the pace of the game in an effort to make it more realistic, but the ball still zips about as if bouncing around a grass covered pinball table. 360 degree dribbling allows more control over player movement, but the animations that come with it aren't convincing. It's easier to successfully nail slide tackles, but they often send recipients flying off in silly directions. Keepers are vastly improved shot-stoppers, but they still parry shots into onrushing strikers' paths with annoying regularity. It seems that for every minor gameplay improvement Konami has implemented, there's a frustration denting its impact.


The new Playing Style Card system is an odd mix of RPG ability equipping and Panini stickersThis is no more apparent than with the new Team Style and Playing Style Cards features. Team Style, theoretically at least, allows you to tweak the way your team plays. You're able to change the degree to which players switch positions, how compact the team stays and the defensive strategy, to take three examples. The default settings of the more famous teams will make sense to most football fans: Manchester United's Position Switch is set to 80, meaning players will switch positions regardless of favoured positions. Chelsea's Pressing is set to 75, meaning players will chase down and try to dispossess opposition players at any distance. Arsenal's Support Range is set to 70, meaning players will provide close knit support for the man in possession.

In theory, the concept is sound: with it you should be able to affect off the ball movement to an unprecedented degree, forging an identity in much the same way the likes of Barcelona and Arsenal have. The problem is, in an actual match it's incredibly difficult to see that it makes any tangible difference. There's nothing in-game to explain the feature, or to show the impact of your changes. As a result most won't even realise Team Style is in the game. And of those that do, only the ultra hardcore will spend time with it.

It's a similar situation for the confusing new Playing Style Cards system. There are three types: Attack Level Cards, Playing Style Cards and Skill Cards. An Attack Level Card lets you set a player's inclination to attack or defend. You're able to choose between Attack minded, Defence minded or Balanced. For example, Didier Drogba has an Attack Level Card set to Balanced, meaning he will look to strike the right balance between attack and defence. But you're able to change this to Attack Minded if you want him to join in the attack whenever possible. As with Team Style, the Playing Style Cards system is better in theory than it is in practice. It's a system that you'd never know existed unless you went searching for it. When you do find it, it's convoluted and difficult to grasp. And, again, its benefits are not immediately obvious.

And yet despite all these frustrations, PES 2010 still retains an odd addictive quality, one that's fuelled by a strange sense of satisfaction experienced whenever you score a goal. This has perhaps been PES' greatest strength down the years. You could happily play PES 2010 for hours, enjoying its more comical, arcadey moments totally oblivious to the sky-rocketing bar that's being set by the competition. Indeed, if you've stuck steadfast with PES in recent years, PES 2010 will no doubt impress. Playing it, especially with friends, is fun. The only problem is you could be having more realistic fun elsewhere.

It's not all doom and gloom. As mentioned, PES 2010 is a more enjoyable experience than PES 2009, but in some areas it's even better than FIFA 10. Of these the most notable is player faces, which are on the whole the most lifelike ever seen in a sports video game. The England team is bang on, as are most players from elite clubs: Torres, Gerrard, Rooney, Lennon, Terry, Kaka, Ronaldo and Messi all look incredible. The player faces are so realistic that PES 2010 is perhaps the only football video game where the entrance scenes are worth watching.

PES 2010 looks crisper than last year's effort, and thankfully there are no framerate issues at all. But the pitch view still looks somewhat dated and smacks of a last generation PES in high definition, albeit less so than in previous versions. The number and quality of the animations, as well as the physics of players and the football, are a huge influence here, but PES 2010 still doesn't look as "Sky Sports" as FIFA 10.

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While the menus have been given a makeover with an edgy magazine lick of paint, text is often wooden and reads like a Babel Fish translation of a foreign language. Despite a convincing effort from Jon Champion (the less said about pundit Mark Lawrenson the better), the commentary is appalling. It's often seconds behind play, and at worst has nothing to do with what's actually happening on the pitch. Champion will scream that the referee's about to blow his whistle as if England are about to win the World Cup. Shame he does it just before half time.

The number of official licenses has been increased, but the Champions League license still, ridiculously, does not include all of the teams that are actually in the competition. So while Liverpool and Manchester United and 15 other European club teams line up with real badges and kits adorning their players, all to that iconic entrance music and night time paraphernalia, the likes of Chelsea (aka London FC) turn up in plane old blue kits. Oh, and while we're on the subject of authenticity, why are all players not at their real life clubs? With the transfer window ending the first day of September, is there any good reason why Richard Dunne is still at Manchester City, or Arjen Robben is still at Real Madrid?


While the graphics are not a huge step up, the player faces are incredibly accurate.Thankfully, Konami's efforts to bolster and improve the long-running Master League, an offline fan favourite, are largely successful. You're now in control of club sponsorship, which is a nice touch even if it involves silly fictional companies. The menu is a much more pleasant place to explore, split as it is between three distinct areas: Club House, Stadium Walk and Office. The new, officially licensed rock heavy soundtrack, which includes hits from Klaxons, Kaiser Chiefs and DJ Shadow, is a vast improvement on the brain-melting cheese fests of previous years. Transfers seem suitably realistic, too. As Chelsea, my day one pursuit of Ronaldo, Rooney and Messi were knocked back. I managed to prize Michael Owen from Manchester United, however, for a princely sum of £20 million. With the classic Master League players enabled (go Valeny!), I was only able to snag strikers Louis Saha and Craig Bellamy, both for vaguely realistic prices. By all accounts, Master League will prove a popular home for fans that prefer the single-player PES experience, and compared to FIFA's Manager Mode, which has proved something of a buggy mess, it scores points for at least working.

At the end of the day, though, PES 2010 is simply not good enough to challenge FIFA's dominance. It's an improvement on last year's effort, and fans of the more arcadey virtual football will find plenty to enjoy, but as a simulation it pales in comparison. PES 2010 is a return to form, but it is not a return to past glories. PES fans that have crossed over to FIFA in recent years need not concern themselves with switching back. Perhaps it's best to use a real world analogy: if FIFA 10 is Manchester United, then PES 2010 is Manchester City. Despite flashes of class, only one team is capable of winning the Premier League.
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 05:32

and another

Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 UK Review
UK, October 15, 2009 - Hopelessly dated and creaking in so many respects, playing PES 2010 can initially be a disheartening experience when coming off the back of EA's astounding FIFA 10. In comparison it's clunky, its feature set paltry and its presentation amateurish – as players who have been enthralled by PES since its trailblazing entries at the turn of the decade, seeing PES lose its grip on the football throne has become a melancholy experience for fans that gets sadder each year.

But after a dedicated weekend in its presence we're left as hoarse as fevered fans walking away from a thrilling derby, our vocal chords scratched by the screams and yelps that accompany an 89th minute goal-mouth scramble and our knees chafed from dropping dramatically to the floor after scooping a potential winner up into the rafters.

EA and FIFA might be the new champions elect, but that doesn't stop Konami from staging a party of its own with PES 2010, a game that's easily the best series entry on the current generation of hardware. While it can't boast of being the most realistic take on the beautiful game anymore, it's got a good claim to being the most fun.

Given PES's tradition of being the most authentic game on the pitch, it feels strange applauding its more outlandish nature - but with EA Canada dedicating its craft to creating the most life-like game possible it's what we find ourselves doing now. Games zip from end to end with restless glee, ambitious shots from 30 yards out stinging the cross bar and quick-fire crosses met with violently weighted headers.

This is football concentrated, the game's greatest moments boiled down into something that's instantly gratifying and almost without fail produces encounters that are thrilling and intense. Which, of course, is a formula that PES has always peddled - and it's only in the light of FIFA's depth of realism that it comes across as arcade-like.

But in certain regards this is the most polished iteration to date, with the graphical overhaul that everyone's been begging for finally here, in a fashion. In a certain light it's a more attractive game than its chief rival – more specifically in the hazy late afternoon light of a dusk match, with patches of sun glowing convincingly on the pitch and casting convincing shadows across the player's newly restructured faces. In stasis it's remarkable, the player likenesses uncanny and the natural lighting imbuing everything with an appealing glow. In motion it's a little less impressive and while a select suite of new animations join the fray it's a world away from the organic flow of FIFA's matches.

PES 2010's biggest addition – the 360 degree control of dribbling – doesn't make quite the same impact as it's had in this year's FIFA, though it certainly lends the game an added layer of fluidity. Indeed, most of PES 2010's on-pitch additions amount to little more than a nip here and a tuck there, with it all combining to make the most assured take on PES's formula since its PlayStation 2 heyday. There are some not-so-successful amendments too – Graham Poll seems to have been consulted on the new refereeing system, with eccentric decisions frequently causing outrage and the advantage rule not as prevalent as it has been before.



Another supposed amendment also falls flat – the keeper's bolstered intelligence fails to shine, and if anything they all seem to have been given an extra dose of stupid. Too often they stand rooted on the spot and stare dumbly at balls floating past them, and on one occasion a half-hearted shot simply floated through the keeper's body, rolling into the goal off of a defender who had taken a shine to the newly modelled netting and was transfixed with his back to the action. A comedy moment, but it's hard to laugh when the goal was the decisive effort in an otherwise excellent encounter.

But slapstick keeping is almost a PES tradition – and another PES tradition is its befuddling presentation, something that's been addressed with a much greater level of success. On a superficial level it offers only slight improvements – whereas we once had surreal rap rock with bespoke and 'inspirational' lyrics, we've now got slick and licensed tunes from the likes of DJ Shadow and The Klaxons.

It's the options that feed into the game that have been given the biggest overhaul, and by and large they work well. Gone are the abstract hexagonal representations of player's abilities, replaced by numbers that quite brilliantly reflect how a player is being used – stick a defender up front and their overall rating will change accordingly, a feature that means finding the perfect balance in the team is now a much less painful task.

Extending this philosophy is a Team Style feature that offers up a wealth of strategic options through a simple set of sliders – a mechanic that'll be familiar to anyone who's dabbled in FIFA the past couple of years but one that is none the less welcome. The accompanying Player Cards, unique to players and used to shape their attitude and performance on the pitch, is another simplification of existing options within PES games, and it makes shaping a team to your own desires a much less painful experience. They work well together to create a game that's accessible and do much to reduce the pre-game menu trawl that slows down encounters between more anal players.

Become a Legend returns, though it's without any noteworthy updates.

Other aspects lack the same attention to detail. Lawrenson and Champion return for the most apathetic partnership in football since Boumsong and Bramble, though like Newcastle's terrible two they're not without their comedy moments – put in a good performance in the first half and Lawrenson will say you deserve a Wagon Wheel for your efforts, surely the highest praise possible. These small moments of comic relief aside, the commentary is often jarringly dated, especially in light of the naturalistic accompaniment provided by Andy Gray and Martin Tyler in FIFA 10.

Worryingly for anyone who has lost themselves to PES's single-player campaign in the past, the Master League has been given a significant overhaul, sucking us in good and proper for the first time in many a year as we resurrected our beloved Deptford Wednesday. Youth teams play a part, as does more involved scouting and management of finances, to create an experience that's more compelling than before and more than the measure of FIFA's offerings for the solitary player.

The official Champions League licence is woven in well with the Master League – and is available to play as a standalone run-through, complete with the obligatory rinsing of Handel's 'Zadock the Priest', the tournament's anthem. While this year's Master League is easily the most engaging edition of the mode, it's frequently in danger of drowning under a sea of impenetrable menus – but ultimately it stays afloat.



A radial menu serves the Master League well, but elsewhere it can be a pain to navigate.


Which leaves only the networked multiplayer up for discussion, an aspect that's all too frequently been a stumbling block for Konami and the series. Unfortunately servers are yet to go live, leaving us none the wiser on to how it plays out online (and once they're up and running we'll give you a full report). The first signs are, however, promising – Konami has wisely replaced the ID codes that have previously made the task of getting its games online so tiresome, and custom leagues for friends show that the team is getting with the times.

Closing Comments
Improved graphics, streamlined tactical options and a relatively robust take on the series' winning formula ensure that this is the best PES yet, though it's not quite enough to topple FIFA from its well-earned perch. On the pitch it’s the same joyous game that’s won so many plaudits in the past, its fast-paced approach encouraging the sort of outlandish play that means nearly every match is a classic, and while this is some way off being the all-round package offered by EA, it’s probably the most fun way to play football with a controller available.

IGN UK Ratings for Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 (X360)

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7.5
Presentation
Yes it's better than previous PESs, but that's not saying much, and its menus and lack of certain licences means its a game that can still feel amateurish.

7.5
Graphics
When it's standing still it looks remarkable, but when it starts moving its PS2 heritage is all too obvious.

7.5
Sound
Crowds are now more responsive, though Lawrenson and Champion are as dumb-headed as ever.

9.0
Gameplay
It's PES as you know and love it, and while it comes with a handful of infuriating bugs it's ultimately bundles of fun.

8.5
Lasting Appeal
Without testing online it's hard to tell, but the Master League alone threatens to be all-consuming.

8.7
Great
OVERALL
(out of 10 / not an average)
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 05:44

Metacritic score of 74 for PES2010

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/proevolutionsoccer2010

Metacritic score of 91 for Fifa10

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/fifasoccer10

I know where my money will be going this year!
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 07:02

Sensible soccer?
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 07:11

hmmm its a bit disconcerting.... Sad
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 07:49

What does it matter if it's PES or Fifa - You all like footy so just get whichever one is the best footy game - simple really!
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 08:56

yup all about personal preference Smile

having played fifa 10 on the ps3 the other week i was impressed but still a bit miffed - personally think pes 06 plays better than that

was impressed with w.e 10 - will give my verdict on pes 10

if its pish pes06 will be played!
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeThu Oct 15 2009, 09:47

i think i just want a bit of an update tbh. Also want play as tevez in a city shirt lol! cheers

Will deffo get pes10 and see how it plays though may also look at fifa 10
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 16 2009, 03:12

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i think i just want a bit of an update tbh. Also want play as tevez in a city shirt lol! cheers

Will deffo get pes10 and see how it plays though may also look at fifa 10

So -you're going to p[ay full price for a 'bit of an update' scratch

It baffles me how everyone is so stuck in their ways and afraid to try anything different when it comes to games.

And the only way you'll Play as Tevez in a city shirt is on Fifa 10 - otherwise it will be Tevez in a light blue shirt.
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 16 2009, 03:19

it won't be full price though guy Smile fifa was like £24 at tesco and pes is £28 or so on shopto.

I've tried several fifa games and pes 08/09 and i didnt like any of them in comparison to pes06 - it's not about being stuck in my ways - it's just a personal choice of mine that i think pes 06 is still the best footy game on the market...

also champ got a code to test pes 10 online...the mofo was playing pes 10 all night last night in vs mode Sad
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 16 2009, 08:21

Picked up fifa 10 today, looks good so far. Going to obi's tonight to see if i can convert hm... to fifa obviously Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE?   ANY PES REVIEWS PEOPLE? I_icon_minitimeSun Oct 18 2009, 09:21

Have played 12-13 games now, no issues at all with lag, (apart from the usual) stuff you get on any game, all bodes well.

Some douchebag a beckham/scholes corner against me today it was absolute class applaud

Roll on weds/thurs/friday Cant wait scottishchamp
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